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	<title>Comments on: Relationship Games</title>
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	<description>I'm ALWAYS going the Wong way</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 11:19:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.goingthewongway.com/2008/07/23/relationship-games/#comment-19390</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh true, I do that as well (with the file naming).  It's good to not have to rely on the operating system timestamp that is within each file (since that can more easily change).

Some of those features that you have do sound nice.  I guess my thinking is that I could always just grep through periods of journal entries to find what I want.  We'll see if I ever actually do it (since I haven't yet really).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh true, I do that as well (with the file naming).  It&#8217;s good to not have to rely on the operating system timestamp that is within each file (since that can more easily change).</p>
<p>Some of those features that you have do sound nice.  I guess my thinking is that I could always just grep through periods of journal entries to find what I want.  We&#8217;ll see if I ever actually do it (since I haven&#8217;t yet really).</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Q</title>
		<link>http://www.goingthewongway.com/2008/07/23/relationship-games/#comment-19238</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 20:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha on the file naming convention! I like plain text docs and tend to use YYMMDD + something relevant for my filenames.

I hadn't thought of purchasing journaling software but now that I use it, it's nice to have the search features and the categories/tags. A single day could involve several categories (feeling sad, weird happenings at work, health) and each paragraph could be highlighted with that category. I forget to use them - it's enough to write things down but I sometimes write my dreams and searching for all "dream" categories can come in handy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha on the file naming convention! I like plain text docs and tend to use YYMMDD + something relevant for my filenames.</p>
<p>I hadn&#8217;t thought of purchasing journaling software but now that I use it, it&#8217;s nice to have the search features and the categories/tags. A single day could involve several categories (feeling sad, weird happenings at work, health) and each paragraph could be highlighted with that category. I forget to use them - it&#8217;s enough to write things down but I sometimes write my dreams and searching for all &#8220;dream&#8221; categories can come in handy.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.goingthewongway.com/2008/07/23/relationship-games/#comment-19032</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah I don't think that I've ever been a fan of laying out one's entire life for all to see.  Some people like it and find it helpful.  But personally, I like keeping somethings to myself.  I especially feel that way with such a public medium as a blog.

I think that you've mentioned the journal software before.  It seems pretty cool.  My method is just to write a text document with the filename of YYYYMMDD in a folder labeled journal.  It's extremely basic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah I don&#8217;t think that I&#8217;ve ever been a fan of laying out one&#8217;s entire life for all to see.  Some people like it and find it helpful.  But personally, I like keeping somethings to myself.  I especially feel that way with such a public medium as a blog.</p>
<p>I think that you&#8217;ve mentioned the journal software before.  It seems pretty cool.  My method is just to write a text document with the filename of YYYYMMDD in a folder labeled journal.  It&#8217;s extremely basic.</p>
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		<title>By: Ms. Q</title>
		<link>http://www.goingthewongway.com/2008/07/23/relationship-games/#comment-18838</link>
		<dc:creator>Ms. Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 03:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I may mention my dating experiences (usually in a comment) but I don't make an entire post about it, at least not about the date itself or any details about the man. 

I tend to write a lot of emails to friends and tell them what is going on - it's easier for me to tell someone what is going on than journal it although  also started writing in an electronic journal (http://www.davidrm.com/thejournal/) 

I used to write in actual journals but I write so much that actual handwriting is slow and can't keep up with my ideas. The journal software is very cool - password protected, can be installed on a jumpdrive, handles tags, searching, images...

I haven't really used all its features but it's a great program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I may mention my dating experiences (usually in a comment) but I don&#8217;t make an entire post about it, at least not about the date itself or any details about the man. </p>
<p>I tend to write a lot of emails to friends and tell them what is going on - it&#8217;s easier for me to tell someone what is going on than journal it although  also started writing in an electronic journal (http://www.davidrm.com/thejournal/) </p>
<p>I used to write in actual journals but I write so much that actual handwriting is slow and can&#8217;t keep up with my ideas. The journal software is very cool - password protected, can be installed on a jumpdrive, handles tags, searching, images&#8230;</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t really used all its features but it&#8217;s a great program.</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.goingthewongway.com/2008/07/23/relationship-games/#comment-18524</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 16:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that's probably why some people like the games.  Some people like them and some people don't.  I just belong to the latter group.  Oh and I think that it makes more sense to be a part of that group, too.  :)

Maybe it all goes back to the (rather trite) saying, "Say what you mean, and mean what you say."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that&#8217;s probably why some people like the games.  Some people like them and some people don&#8217;t.  I just belong to the latter group.  Oh and I think that it makes more sense to be a part of that group, too.  <img src='http://www.goingthewongway.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Maybe it all goes back to the (rather trite) saying, &#8220;Say what you mean, and mean what you say.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jill/Twipply Skwood</title>
		<link>http://www.goingthewongway.com/2008/07/23/relationship-games/#comment-18508</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill/Twipply Skwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:06:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah with the reading into it, seems like that ends up backfiring sometimes.  Often maybe even.  Still, I think it's useful to think about to the extent that it sort of makes you think: what exactly is it you want him to know from the text/email/conversation?  So in a sense I think it can be sort of helpful, if only to clarify ones own thinking.  

I was laughing at myself a couple days ago bec. a friend kept coming back to this one sentence in her email that she wanted to keep and I had already said I thought she should ditch.  I kept telling her, "You can say that if you want to.  But if I were a guy getting that email, I'd just be confused."  

I mean maybe not, but I'm thinking if I can't figure out what she means after not just hearing the email but talking with her about it for a good 15 or 20 minutes, there's no way a guy is going to figure it out by the email alone.  Although now that I'm typing all this out, I wonder if her whole point was that everything wasn't as cut and dried as it might seem...who the heck knows.  But see?  Game playing or just general confusion?  Who can tell?!?!?!?!?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah with the reading into it, seems like that ends up backfiring sometimes.  Often maybe even.  Still, I think it&#8217;s useful to think about to the extent that it sort of makes you think: what exactly is it you want him to know from the text/email/conversation?  So in a sense I think it can be sort of helpful, if only to clarify ones own thinking.  </p>
<p>I was laughing at myself a couple days ago bec. a friend kept coming back to this one sentence in her email that she wanted to keep and I had already said I thought she should ditch.  I kept telling her, &#8220;You can say that if you want to.  But if I were a guy getting that email, I&#8217;d just be confused.&#8221;  </p>
<p>I mean maybe not, but I&#8217;m thinking if I can&#8217;t figure out what she means after not just hearing the email but talking with her about it for a good 15 or 20 minutes, there&#8217;s no way a guy is going to figure it out by the email alone.  Although now that I&#8217;m typing all this out, I wonder if her whole point was that everything wasn&#8217;t as cut and dried as it might seem&#8230;who the heck knows.  But see?  Game playing or just general confusion?  Who can tell?!?!?!?!?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.goingthewongway.com/2008/07/23/relationship-games/#comment-18345</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh no!  I'm sorry to hear about the computer problems.  I'm glad that you were able to post a comment, though.

That does seem to be one thought about these games (that they're just extreme actions that are actually originally natural).  I can understand trying to show off the good qualities first, but I'm rather partial to seeing the bad as soon as possible.  If you can see the worst and still want to be with them, then you're set, right?  Less wasted time!  But this is all in moderation.  (As everything should be, right?)

I'm not so sure if I'm a fan of the games of holding out or reading into what he will think if you text him, though.  My thoughts on that situation would be to work it out to its end in the discussion so that no guessing or second-thinking is necessary.  It just doesn't seem too wise to be wasting all of that time in uncertainty.

Thorough communication &gt;&gt; uncertainty, second-guessing

Right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh no!  I&#8217;m sorry to hear about the computer problems.  I&#8217;m glad that you were able to post a comment, though.</p>
<p>That does seem to be one thought about these games (that they&#8217;re just extreme actions that are actually originally natural).  I can understand trying to show off the good qualities first, but I&#8217;m rather partial to seeing the bad as soon as possible.  If you can see the worst and still want to be with them, then you&#8217;re set, right?  Less wasted time!  But this is all in moderation.  (As everything should be, right?)</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not so sure if I&#8217;m a fan of the games of holding out or reading into what he will think if you text him, though.  My thoughts on that situation would be to work it out to its end in the discussion so that no guessing or second-thinking is necessary.  It just doesn&#8217;t seem too wise to be wasting all of that time in uncertainty.</p>
<p>Thorough communication >> uncertainty, second-guessing</p>
<p>Right?</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.goingthewongway.com/2008/07/23/relationship-games/#comment-18344</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:39:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah it seems like the games that you're talking about are also known as prudence and self-control.  :P  But yeah, I suppose those are a bit of the gamesmanship as well.

However, I'm definitely glad that you don't play these manipulative and tricky games!  Hm or do you...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah it seems like the games that you&#8217;re talking about are also known as prudence and self-control.  <img src='http://www.goingthewongway.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' />  But yeah, I suppose those are a bit of the gamesmanship as well.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m definitely glad that you don&#8217;t play these manipulative and tricky games!  Hm or do you&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Derek</title>
		<link>http://www.goingthewongway.com/2008/07/23/relationship-games/#comment-18343</link>
		<dc:creator>Derek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 16:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well you do mention some of your dating experiences, but it's never traceable and it's usually only as part of some larger illustration.  Do you also keep a personal journal or blog that you do write about that stuff?  I know that I do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well you do mention some of your dating experiences, but it&#8217;s never traceable and it&#8217;s usually only as part of some larger illustration.  Do you also keep a personal journal or blog that you do write about that stuff?  I know that I do.</p>
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		<title>By: Jill/Twipply Skwood</title>
		<link>http://www.goingthewongway.com/2008/07/23/relationship-games/#comment-18323</link>
		<dc:creator>Jill/Twipply Skwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 13:11:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I took so long - as I've been explaining on Ms.Q's blog, I'm having computer problems.  As in: mine's dead.  Again!

And this computer is...flighty.  It won't even let me post to my own blog!  But I'm hoping it lets me post here.

So yeah, I haven't decided completely, but my idea is that perhaps the games are just natural actions gone wrong.  

It's like, when you go on a first date, whether or not you are playing games, you are trying to put forth your best side.  It's like a job interview - A person has all these wonderful qualities and then one has some lousy qualities.  So he or she tries to present the good qualities first.  If the other person likes the good qualities enough, he or she will be willing to accept the rotten qualities.  And then maybe the game playing comes in when the other person tries too hard to disguise the rotten qualities, or tries to hard to play up the good qualities.

Or a little further into dating there are other things to negotiate - how often do you see each other?  Talk to each other?  Operating on the assumption that one person will want more contact than the other, one person has to learn to give the other person leeway, or one person has to be in more contact than he or she wants or can reasonably provide.  So here's another place games can start ("I'm not calling him because he didn't return my last call for three hours!" or "If I text him this, he's going to think that").  It's all a lot to negotiate, and though I don't think of myself as someone who plays games at all, I do think some of the negotiations lend themselves to be taken a bit too far, even if it's only not to hurt the other person's feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry I took so long - as I&#8217;ve been explaining on Ms.Q&#8217;s blog, I&#8217;m having computer problems.  As in: mine&#8217;s dead.  Again!</p>
<p>And this computer is&#8230;flighty.  It won&#8217;t even let me post to my own blog!  But I&#8217;m hoping it lets me post here.</p>
<p>So yeah, I haven&#8217;t decided completely, but my idea is that perhaps the games are just natural actions gone wrong.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s like, when you go on a first date, whether or not you are playing games, you are trying to put forth your best side.  It&#8217;s like a job interview - A person has all these wonderful qualities and then one has some lousy qualities.  So he or she tries to present the good qualities first.  If the other person likes the good qualities enough, he or she will be willing to accept the rotten qualities.  And then maybe the game playing comes in when the other person tries too hard to disguise the rotten qualities, or tries to hard to play up the good qualities.</p>
<p>Or a little further into dating there are other things to negotiate - how often do you see each other?  Talk to each other?  Operating on the assumption that one person will want more contact than the other, one person has to learn to give the other person leeway, or one person has to be in more contact than he or she wants or can reasonably provide.  So here&#8217;s another place games can start (&#8221;I&#8217;m not calling him because he didn&#8217;t return my last call for three hours!&#8221; or &#8220;If I text him this, he&#8217;s going to think that&#8221;).  It&#8217;s all a lot to negotiate, and though I don&#8217;t think of myself as someone who plays games at all, I do think some of the negotiations lend themselves to be taken a bit too far, even if it&#8217;s only not to hurt the other person&#8217;s feelings.</p>
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